Tuesday, September 19, 2006

Beware of bikes: Study shows cars get 3 inches closer when riders wear helmets

By Amy Thon, athon@qconline.com

Signs around the Quad-Cities remind drivers and cyclists to share the roads, but cyclists sometimes feel as though they are getting squeezed out.

Years before his retirement, Kentley Loewenstein rode his bike seven miles to work to save money and simply because he enjoys riding. Except for a few snowy, icy months, Mr. Loewenstein relied on his bike to get him from his Bettendorf home to his job on Arsenal Island.

A recent study conducted in England found drivers tend to pass closer to cyclists wearing helmets than those who are not. Dr. Ian Walker conducted the study using a bike fitted with a computer and an ultrasonic distance sensor, and found that drivers were twice as likely to get about 3 inches closer to the bicycle when he wore a helmet.

Dr. Walker thinks drivers give less room to cyclists wearing helmets because they see them as more predictable than those without. He suggests different types of road users need to understand each other.

"I would recommend everybody wear a helmet," Mr. Loewenstein said. "It's too easy to fall and smash your head."

Although Mr. Loewenstein said the 3 inches is a "statistical anomaly" and not representative of his experiences on a bike, "there's always a few cars that will see how close they can come."

"It doesn't bother me to ride on the road with cars," said Mr. Loewenstein, who is a member of the Quad City Bicycle Club. "I try to ride in a safe manner, a predictable manner."

Errol McCollum, president of the Quad City Bike Club, said European drivers generally are much more tolerant of cyclists because so many more people there ride bicycles.

Mr. McCollum agrees with Mr. Loewenstein and said that despite the study it's important for riders to wear a helmet and to wear it properly.

"I see a lot of people wearing helmets who really don't know much about bicycling," he said.

Mr. McCollum said he often sees people wearing helmets too far back and has even seen cyclists with helmets on backwards. The front of the helmet should be about one finger's width above the brow lin

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Good article Donnie, hopefully people will get a clue.

Anonymous said...

I took the liberty to post all of the posts from the Dispatch on this article. Some funny, some ignorant, some...well you'll figure than one out yourself! see below...

Donnie Miller

Comments
124 comments on this article
Posted by Brian from Moline at 7:16AM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
There have been many doubts expressed in the Internet bicycling community as to the validity of Dr. Walker's study. Mentioned in other articles, but not this one, is the fact that Dr. Walker was struck twice by other vehicles over the course of his experiment. This leads one to question whether his results were polluted by a lack of capability in the operation of his bicycle.
Posted by IL res from EM at 8:08AM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
What about runners, I see runners at 5 am running against traffic on a 4 lane road (12th ave), this road has hills and curves and there is a sidewalk. I see these people as being completely stupid putting there life in danger.
Can I get an AMEN to that?!@!
Posted by Jason from Moline at 8:16AM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
Right on! As a cyclist myself, I have to deal with inconsiderate drivers all the time. I can't tell you how many times people yell as they drive by, as though I don't belong on the highway with them. I am just as entitled to the road as they are. Drivers....please slow down and pass with caution. Good cyclists who have mirrors know you're there - we appreciate a little wiggle room!
I wear bright yellow jersey's, white helmet, and have both front and rear flashers. I should be plenty visible.
Posted by Michael from Bettendorf at 8:19AM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
Good article... nice to see some 'sense' being written about cars and bikes with no 'hard' feelings.
Posted by schqc from Moline at 8:56AM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
I would always encourage my child to ride on the sidewalk, when possible when near a busy street. I would also strongly argue against riding in the middle of the lane. On several streets I know, a car coming around a curve at the right time is going to nail any bicyclist. Many safe drivers will still cross the middle line or into the next lane when they see a bicycle sticking to the side of the road.
The besst thing for bicyclists would be to triple current gas prices so more bikes were out on the roads.
Posted by some anonymous person at 9:52AM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
I admit, I get angry when I come upon a cyclist on a highway and I have to slow down, or practically stop. When the bike riders start paying $80 for a sticker to use the roads, like I have to for my car, then perhaps I won't be as upset.
Posted by some anonymous person at 9:56AM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
Does anyway mind it I drive my car on the bike path?
Posted by BizzyBee at 11:15AM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
AMEN to Anonymous about the fact that vehicles pay for a sticker, bike's do not. There are bike paths for a reason. USE THEM
Posted by Diana from Moline at 11:26AM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
I'm sick of bicyclists that are on the street and refuse to follow the rules. Just the other day I saw a guy that had his feet attached to the bike pedals...so he couldn't put his foot on the ground to stop himself. Then he drove between lanes/cars, ignoring the stop light .
Stay off my street, and I'll stay off your sidewalk.
Posted by Confused from Rock Island at 12:40PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
One thing that I have never understood...If you are driving a car and are going too slow you can get a ticket because it is unsafe, but cyclists are allowed to ride in regular traffic which usually results in them going too slow for the condition. How does that make sense?
Posted by some anonymous person at 12:49PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
Sqeezed out?
How about us horse owners who now have to share trails with bicyclist when we were there first. When you have a bike rider flying down a hill so fast and they can't hear a group screaming to slow down and they lay their bike down (sliding) right in front of your horse tell me why the drivers don't want them either.
Posted by some anonymous person at 1:06PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
$78 per year for plates (IL)
$900 per year insurance (atleast)
$$$ road tax figured in to crazy gas prices
--losing the right away to a bike,
PRICELESS
Posted by Grant at 1:15PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
The fact of the matter is, bicycles are vehicles and they have as much of a right to the road as cars do.
Posted by To Bizzy Bee and Amen at 1:24PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
Stickers do not pay for roads, taxes do and as a commuting cyclist I pay the exact same taxes you do, except of course motor fuel tax. Cyclists have every right to be on the same roads cars do. If you can't pass safely, perhaps you shouldn't be driving. The only place you can get a ticket for driving to slow is the interstate, where bicycles are not allowed. I do believe cyclists should follow the rules, though and they can recieve tickets for not doing so.
Posted by Evil Keneivel at 1:27PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
If bicycles are vehicles, then they should pay a wheel tax, be fitted with mirrors, headlights and turn signals )not all bicycles have these). Bicyclists should take a "Rules of the Road" coarse, be licensed and pay a license renewal fee every year, and take a test every 8 to 10 years. If a bicyclist is drunk, are they charged with DUI?
A bicycle may have every right to the road as a car or truck, but 2 and a half tons of steel moving at 55 miles an hour needs, for the sake of safety, to be given more consideration than the 110 scarecrow on a 20 pound aluminum frame. If not consideration, then at least respect for the fact that it is more deadly than the bike.
Posted by Scott Swanson from Silvis, IL at 1:32PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
I am a cyclist. I am a driver. First, bicycles are transportation used by adults. Check Iowa law, and you will find that we cyclists are legally using the roads. Note that I am supporting the payment for roads by my paying for gas and paying the excise tax on my car tires. If you want to look at it that way, I've paid for my place on the road. Actually, it is NOT LEGAL for me to ride on the sidewalk. I'm an adult on a vehicle.
Also note that my bicycle does not do nearly as much damage to the road as any other vehicle. Might I be reimbursed for the damage that I'm not doing?
Take the time to look at a bicycle with clipless pedals and notice that they are like ski bindings. They release when you kick your heel out. He could have clicked out with no problem And we use brakes, not our feet to stop.
No, driving between cars and ignoring the stoplight is not acceptable for motorcycles or cars. Any cyclist who breaks a traffic law should be ticketed, just as any driver who forces me into a ditch should be ticketed.
As to the $80 sticker, perhaps you don't mind thanking me for the thousands of dollars I will be saving of your tax dollars in health costs. I will save you your $80 sticker in one doctor visit and/or one prescription.
And please, I hope you don't mind my thinking that one minute of your waiting to get around me on a highway is worth all the remaining years of my life.
My bicycle has a motor...and the motor is me. My name is Scott. I'm 6'7", hard not to see. Wave at me as you pass me while we share the road. I'll wave back. I'll use more than one finger; I hope you do the same.
Posted by To Evil at 2:00PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
Do you feel this way about motorcycles?
Posted by Scott Swanson from Silvis, IL at 2:01PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
To the equestrian:
Are you willing to yield right of way to mountain bikers who built paths in Southwest Park in Davenport? They would, by definition, have been there first. And shall you ask to discipline the horseback riders who rode after a rainfall, tearing up hours of trail work done by mountain bikers? Considerate mountain biker do not ride on wet trails, nor do they run into horses.
The common theme here seems to be consideration, does it not?
Posted by some anonymous person at 2:03PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
I live out in a rural area. Over the course of a weekend I come across many bike riders. I think it is rude and unfair that I have to share the road with cyclists that endanger my life as a driver. Having to slam on the breaks after topping a hill to find a pack of bike riders in front of me...what about the cars behind me that could rearend me because I had no idea that you were there? I can get a ticket for driving too slow for conditions, you are causing a detriment to the flow of traffic. Your tax dollars and my tax dollars have been spent on bike paths...use them!
Posted by Brian from Moline at 2:04PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
"On several streets I know, a car coming around a curve at the right time is going to nail any bicyclist."
A person travelling so fast through a blind corner or over the curve of a hill as to be unable to react to other occupants of the roadway is driving too fast for conditions and is breaking the law.
"When the bike riders start paying $80 for a sticker to use the roads, like I have to for my car, then perhaps I won't be as upset."
The vehicle licensing fee is not a barrier for entry into the public roadway. All persons are granted access to otherwise unrestricted public roads provided that the rules of the state vehicle code are followed. Licensing is required for motor vehicle operation due to the increased level of danger it presents to other users of the public roadway.
"There are bike paths for a reason. USE THEM"
The reason for the existence of the bike paths is recreation, not transportation. Someone cycling for transportation is usually not going to find their destinations adequately served by recreational trails.
Also, bicycle access to public roads is the law. The bicyclist has free choice of the use of either recreational trail or public road.
"I'm sick of bicyclists that are on the street and refuse to follow the rules. Just the other day I saw a guy that had his feet attached to the bike pedals...so he couldn't put his foot on the ground to stop himself."
He could, but he chose not to. Stupidity does not favor any one mode of transportation. I see lots of motor vehicle operators every day exhibiting stupid behavior. Shall I color my view of all motor vehicle operators accordingly?
"Stay off my street, and I'll stay off your sidewalk."
It is OUR street, and OUR sidewalk. Neither are limited to use by some privileged few.
"One thing that I have never understood...If you are driving a car and are going too slow you can get a ticket because it is unsafe, but cyclists are allowed to ride in regular traffic which usually results in them going too slow for the condition. How does that make sense?"
The lateral motion required to pass the average motor vehicle is significantly greater than that required to pass a bicycle.
"losing the right away to a bike, PRICELESS"
Losing right of way to any road user who's own right of way holds precedence over your own: the law.
"The fact of the matter is, bicycles are vehicles and they have as much of a right to the road as cars do."
At least a functional knowledge of state and uniform vehicle codes is required for possession of a motor vehicle license. Few people seem to meet this requirement. All this material can be found down to so simple a level as the introductory driver's handbook. Comprehension should not be so difficult.
Posted by Bryan from Davenport/Ames at 2:18PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
Wow..some of these comments are quite hilarious if you really think about it...
1) To all the people complaining about having to pay prices to have a sticker attached to your car or ridiculous insurance costs or ridiculous tire taxes...well, shouldn't that kinda make you want to ride a bike that costs much much MUCH less than a car?
2) To the person complaing about sharing a trail between horses and bikes...sorry, didn't realize this was kindergarten and we still use the phrase, "But i saw it first!" Oh and if you feel they're being rude, I know plenty of people in the cycling community that go out to "freshen up" the trails to make sure they stay there because they had been torn up by horse hooves and horse poop...go ahead and ask them what they think of the horse community, they think they're rude to tearing up the trails that they work so hard to keep nice
3) To the person saying "There are bike paths for a reason. USE THEM"...let me ask you this, have you ever taken a vacation because you were tired of being stuck in your house/hometown/office? did you drive far away to some place to enjoy yourself? i'm pretty sure you answered yes to both those questions...well, it's basically the same for cyclists. sure, we use the bike path QUITE often, but every now and then we get tired of the same ol' same ol' and want to take a "vacation"...so we go out on the county roads to enjoy ourselves
3) And talking about, "2 and a half tons of steel moving at 55 miles an hour needs, for the sake of safety, to be given more consideration than the 110 scarecrow on a 20 pound aluminum frame." You need MORE consideration? Don't make me laugh! It's like an adult with a baby...you treat the baby with care, you don't say, "I'M BIGGER THAN YOU...GIVE ME MORE RESPECT!" So think of it like that, I'm a baby, treat me with respect :)
4) Ok, this point wasn't talked about in any of the past comments, but I'm majoring in Dietetics at ISU...Americans are getting RIDICULOUSLY fat...ride a bike and do yourself some good!
seriously people, can't we all just get along?
Posted by some anonymous person at 2:24PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
I think that any biker that is outside the city limits should have to have insurance on there bikes as well as pay a reistration fee. When you get a string of bikers together on the highway in a 55mph zone, alot of times, they don't move over at all to let cars by, there ends up being a huge string of cars that are stuck crawling along and sometimes ends up with a car getting rear ended because they don't realize that a car you would assume to be going 55 is going 5.
I am respectful to bikers on the road and move over everytime, but I don't think I have ever meet a biker that has also moved over a hair to kind of compromise.
Posted by Paula from Moline at 2:37PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
I watch these cyclist everyday pass my house in groups, they compete and they train. How many of you train (practice) for your sport? Are you people jealous that you can't ride for 40 miles at a time? Are you jealous because they look better in spandex than you?
I can't believe people complaining about bicycles on the roadway! I know in our city I have seen numerous of these guys cycling and and NOT OBEYING the rules of the road and the police have issued them citations.
By the way did anyone read the article about the guy who got a DUI even though he was on a HORSE?
I'm a firm believe that some people argue just so they can.... Find a worth while cause for arguing and as for the cyclist.........Keep up the great work!
Posted by some anonymous person at 2:41PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
why did we spen so much money aon the bike path? no one seems to use it. on my way to work everyday i see more people ride on the road then i do on the bike path!!!!!!! good idea "anonymous at 9:56am! lets go drive on the bike path!!!
Posted by some anonymous person at 3:01PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
This idiot is advising cyclists to ride far enough into the lane to force the cars to cross the center line to pass. In saying this, he sure has a great deal of faith in a heavy, metal object travelling at a high rate of speed to take effective evasive maneuvers.
As a car driver, I try to avoid crossing the center line, since it is illegal to do so, unless it is a marked passing zone. Hence, it is in the best interest of the smaller, more likely to get killed, vehicle, to get out of the way of traffic.
It is no wonder Mr. Miller has been hit 3 times and gets things thrown at him. His ideas of what safety should be cause drivers to percieve him as being the rude, inconsiderate one.
I hope the 4th time he gets hit won't kill him.
Posted by some anonymous person at 3:05PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
Perhaps if people spent less time driving to McDonalds for a happy meal and more time riding a bike for excercise, we wouldn't be country full of fatties
Posted by some anonymous person at 3:07PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
So does paying $80 for a sticker give you the right to drive with your left turn signal on for four miles?
Posted by some anonymous person at 3:17PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
To: Squeezed out.
When is the last time you got off your high horse and did a little trail maintenance?
To: Diana
If I stay off your road will you get out of my way on the sidewalk?
Posted by some anonymous person from Moline at 3:34PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
I don't mind sharing the road with cyclist as long as they obey the rules of the road. I constantly see bikers running stop signs and red lights.
Posted by L. at 3:39PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
Bicyclists do have to follow the rules of the road, and they can be ticketed if the do not. My one of my roommates doesn't drive, and rides a bike everwhere. Even in "bicycle tolerant" places, like Iowa City, he's been busted by police (pulled over by a cop car!) for riding on a sidewalk ($50 ticket), and riding at night without a lights ($70). Same consequences as if anyone else was driving at night without headlights on. Let's just all share the road so we can keep the injuries and fatalities down.
Posted by biker from D'port at 3:59PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
I have a friend who got a ticket for not stopping at a stop sign...on a bike.
I totally prefer biking on bike paths over biking on the road. If there were bike paths that could take me all the way to work, instead of just Emeis to State St., I would use the bike path exclusively.
Posted by some anonymous person at 4:04PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
Cyclists may have rights, but rights won't keep you out of the way of a fast moving car!
Posted by Inhumanimal from RI at 4:20PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
I ride about 5 days a week on the streets. I ALWAYS take the side streets and sidewalks when possible.
Drivers get peeved if they have to cross the center line or slow down for a bicyclist.
I truly believe that the cyclists that use the roads as if they were cars (like sitting in turning lanes) actually cause more accidents than they prevent.
Making him cross the center line will make him WANT to drive really close to you to give you a hint to "get out of the way bike!"
So, as a bicyclist for 15 years, I would have to respectfully disagree with this logic of riding a bike as if it were a car.
Especially at night when drunk teens throw stuff at you.
In my experience its best to take the sidestreets, cross busy intersections a few blocks away, and just stay out of the distracted drivers way and live to tell about it. :) But, to each his own. Anyone on a bike is good in my book.
Posted by some anonymous person from moline at 4:48PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
I would have to say I am cautious of bikers, BUT if you are going to ride in the street NEXT TO THE SIDEWALK....dont wonder why you got hit. Everyday almost I see bikers on the busiest streets next to the most perfect sidewalk ever! It is so insane, and then you honk at them to get on the sidewalk from the traffic jam they are causing and they get mad at you. Im plain fed up with it. We the vehicle drivers are the ones responsible when one of them bikers gets hit, simply not fair. They dont realize the hazards they really are causing. BIKERS YOU MUST USE CAUTION
Posted by JohnCAnderson from the Quints at 5:45PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
I haven't been yelled out or harrassed in a long time.
These might be the reason why. I don't wear a helmit, but I do wear a tshirt that shows my muscles.
I ride a few feet away from the curb and even swerve a little making me appear to be somewhat erratic, then as the cars get closer I move in toward the curb. I think since they are probably ready to give me a wide berth anyway, when I move in, they are usaually a safe distance away.
I also glare a little as I look backwards. This probably scares the dirtbags and cowards in old rattle trap cars and beat up pick up trucks who might harass a guy in the standard issue helmit lycra outfit.
Posted by JohnCAnderson from the Quints at 5:49PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
One more quick comment. Many if not most of us who bike also own cars and thus we pay all the fees that the rest of you do.
As far as licensing bikes is concerned. If that would guarantee that we would be given at least three safe feet to bike on any road, I'd be happy to pay it and I'm sure other bikers would too.
And as far as staying on the bike paths is concerned, many of us do that but the bike paths don't take us everywhere we want to go.
Posted by tax payer from henry county at 6:34PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
I totaly agree with Evil K. Pay like we do or stay on the bike path. I wont cross a double line on the highway. I would get a ticket.
Posted by Anonymous from Coal Valley at 7:33PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
To anonymous at 1:06 PM -----
Your figure for the cost of plates is outdated !!! I just renewed my automobile
plates ( for a compact car ) less than two weeks ago, and the renewal price was $85.00 !!!!! Also, my automobile insurance is well over the $900 that you quote !!!!!
Posted by Scott Swanson from Silvis, IL at 10:45PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
At the risk of sounding repetitious...
It's illegal for a cyclist to ride on the sidewalk.
Not all cyclists hog the road. Just because you have one or two experiences does not mean it "constantly" happens.
The majority of motorists do not harass me. I thank them.
I will continue to exercise my priviledge to use public roads just as you will continue to use your priviledge.
If you are going to post your thoughts, have the courtesy to post your name and not bask in the ignominy of your anonimity. Yeah, look it up.
Posted by True Conservative from Moline, Illinois at 10:47PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06
Years ago I warned against building bike paths. I said then that morons like Tax Payer would use them as an excuse to push bikes off the road. Bike paths won't get you where you need to go. Fuel prices, the prices of cars and congestion will continue to push more and more to bikes as alternative transportation.
Bikes are an amazingly efficient means of combining exercise and transportation. Riden properly, they won't hold up any traffic more than a couple seconds. Now, SUV's ARE a traffic nightmare. They accelerate too slow, they have to slow down too much to turn and weigh so much they have to start slowing before all other traffic. You can't pass them nearly so easily as a bike and there are so darned many the combined affect is several lost minutes per day for anyone that drives much at all.
I am still appalled at the way groups of bike riders hog the road and refuse to signal in a manner that auto slugs can understand (what works in a pace line doesn't work to signal a car). The best thing that could happen to bikers would be reasonably holding us to the rules of the road. Out law riding without helmets, so society doesn't have to pick up the tab when our insurance runs out on the head injuries. Running traffic lights is wrong, though few can sense a bicycle. We shouldn't be riding after dark without approved lighting.
Liscensing really isn't a bad idea, both for the vehicle and the rider. I think though that we should get incentives for what we save on road wear, polution and helping maintain fuel prices by not burning any.
My current commuter bike, but which I am ashamed I haven't used much in a few years, is nearly twenty years old. In all those miles (more than any other, single bike I've ever heard of), I have never had a negative experience with an automobile. A person just needs to use a little common sense. Indeed, take your lane, but give a person a chance to pass ASAP. When bikers get the chip off their shoulder, they'll have fewer problems with drivers.
Posted by Grant Wendland from Tampico, Il at 1:27AM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
Like Scott Swanson, I too am a driver and a cyclist. I practice both legally, obey the rules of the road, and perform both to the best of my ability. When I am driving I treat cyclists with respect, pass them safely (often times waving as courtesy) and follow all rules, regulations, and safety concerns as adressed in the both the Iowa and Illinois Rules of the Road . While I am out riding, I also obey the rules of the road, and hope to recieve the same treatment that I dish out as a driver.
"Over the course of a weekend I come across many bike riders. I think it is rude and unfair that I have to share the road with cyclists that endanger my life as a driver."
Foremost, as has already been said - cyclists are entitled to ride on the road, and it is perfectly legal. Second - when was the last time you saw your life flash before your eyes when you came across a cyclist? A two ton vehicle vs. a twenty-pound racing bike, surely you can not be as brazen to suggest that YOU are the one frightened for your life?
As far as trail riding goes - while in the QC area, I ride on the trails as often as is plausible. Often times I ride on trails to reach a rural area to ride to avoid traffic. Sometimes the QC trail system does not extend to my destination.
Also, riding on a sidewalk is extremely unsafe. Perhaps more so than riding in traffic; because eventually you have to cross a street, and turning car isn't going to look to see if any one is crossing on a bike. Also, riding on sidewalks is illegal most of the time. There is a reason it is called a sideWALK.
So please, the next time you see a cyclist out on the road, take into consideration that not only is it a vehicle, but also a person. Generally when people pass me safely I tend to give them a wave of thanks or a thumbs up.
Posted by Cyclist from Hampton at 7:35AM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
Bikes are here to stay. They were invented before the automobile.With the price of oil ,the world situation,there will only be more and more of us. So you might as well get used to us.I ride for heath and fitness beside cheap transportation.How would you feel if your intolerance for someone who thinks differently than you ended maming or killing someone.I feel sorry for you people in your hurry up world.I am retired and want to live a long healthy, happy life. Cycling plays a big part in that.Please watch for me and I will watch for you.I find bike paths to me more dangerous than the the county roads I prefer to ride.Yes I also drive a car and pay just as much if not more in taxes and insurance than you do.
Posted by L. at 8:46AM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
"Anonymous person from moline " writes that "BUT if you are going to ride in the street NEXT TO THE SIDEWALK....dont wonder why you got hit." Ugh... faulty logic--forcing a cyclist to chose between breaking the law (by going onto the sidewalk, which IMHO, is a crappy law to begin with) or getting hit by a vehicle. A great way to rationalize hitting a cyclist. "Yes, it's your fault that you are now brain damaged, had you broken the law, you'd be just fine..."
Posted by JohnCAnderson from Hog Hades at 9:53AM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
Scott, most of us know it's illegal to bike on a sidewalk, but sometimes it's our only recourse.
I did some biking out in Phoenix a few years ago.
They have some designated bike lanes. But on some of the busier streets they don't.
I was biking on one, Van Buren, I believe it was, and the traffic was rolling by real fast, and real close.
I decided that I'd rather be a live "desperado" on the sidewallk than a dead biker on the road.
Incidentally, from a practical point of view, bikes would present a small problem on sidewalks since there are actually very few people using sidewalks except in downtown areas.
Posted by to tax payer from henry at 10:31AM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
"I wont cross a double line on the highway. I would get a ticket."
I am pretty sure if you hit a bicyclist, the penalty would be worse. Good luck to you and please don't hit me.
Posted by some anonymous person from Moline at 11:39AM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
Almost every day I have to go around a bicyclist and I just don't see why they don't use the sidewalk. Then cars won't get close to them or get mad at them because they take up the road.
Posted by to anonymous at 3:01 from Rock Island at 12:21PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
You seem to be unaware of the laws. When you pass, you ALWAYS go into the other lane. You shouldn't pass otherwise. You never pass in the same lane as another vehicle.
How would you do that with a full size vehicle on a two lane road?
Other anons - I ride my bike on the road to work because there is no trail from "above the hill" in rock island all the way to Davenport.
Posted by Post from RI at 12:32PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
I don't understand why cyclists can't stay closer to the curb when they ride. To me that would be safer. Can anyone tell me why it wouldn't be safer?
Posted by JohnCAnderson from Smileytown, USA at 1:30PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
to Post from RI. Here are several reasons why bikers don't like to ride too close to the curb.
That's where a lot of glass and debris tend to be.
If you are too close to the curb that might invite the car to come too close to you and if he or you swerve the slightest bit there could be an accident.
And if you get real close to the curb there is the chance that you right pedal might hit it and cause you to crash or even send you into the path of oncoming vehicles.
Posted by To Post from RI at 1:53PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
Hugging the curb puts cyclists in greater danger because motorists are more inclined to pass with out allowing enough space.
More "cyclists" are probably hit by motorists coming off a sidewalk at an intersection to get to the next sidewalk than are hit being a part of traffic.
I'm slightly suprised at the amount of drivers who claim to be inconvenienced by cyclists. I commute by bike and rarely see other cyclists, but from the volume of complaints you'd thing we live in downtown Bejing.
Please ask yourself how much time you spend behind cyclists. Understand every cyclist you pass in your car is one less car you're sitting behind in traffic, one more parking space for you, one less car adding to this nation's oil dependency, one less car adding to the demand for gas, demand which drives increases in gas prices, at least so say the oil companies.
If nothing else, think of me. A guy with a wife and two kids, trying to do the right thing for himself, his family and our country. I'm just trying to get to work alive, just like you.
Posted by to Post from Rock Island at 2:08PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
I'm the poster that wrote back to "to anonymous at 3:01" - I stay reasonably close to the curb - however, when there are cars parked along, obviously I don't. It's safer, until I get a driver that thinks he can drive even closer to me and force me over the curb. That by the way , would get him a ticket if the police were around. Can anyone tell me why cars can't wait to pass a bike until oncoming traffic has gone by? If I was a car or a truck, he surely wouldn't try to squeeze in between two vehicles on a two-lane road.
Posted by Donnie Miller from Moline at 3:25PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
Hello everyone…My name is Donnie Miller, the cyclist in the article that everyone seems so hot in responding too. This is going to be long so I will thank you in advance for reading and I will try to the best of my ability to respond to EVERYONE’S posts just so I don’t leave anyone out! First of all…if you have a disparaging comment or thought that you are trying to get across, anonymity shows only cowardice and a lack of intelligence! If you want respect…like I DO, post your name and where you are from. This way we can all be on the same page…and not have to hide like we would if we were in grade school! I’ve been holding my tongue for the last day and a half since this article came out but now I have to respond. Let me give you a little history that the article didn’t mention.
I’ve been a member of the Quad City community my whole life and a cyclist three quarters of that. I’m from Hampton and currently reside in Moline. I have a job, I’m putting a business together to TEACH people how to ride safely, and I am a USA Cycling Coach, Official and Athlete governed by the United States Olympic committee. I’m also studying to become the Effective Cycling Instructor for the League of American Bicyclist, a member in good standing to the League of American Bicyclist, League of Illinois Bicyclist, Illinois Cycling Association, Iowa Bicycle Racing Association, Quad City Bicycle Club, Cornbelt Running Club and DICE (Double “I” Cycling Experience) the local bike racing team to which I am the Coach and Vice President. I am the future Race Director for the Quad City Criterium, the QCBC 20k and 40k Time Trial Championships and the current Director for the Green Valley CycloCross race which is part of the Iowa CycloCross Championship Series of eight races of which DICE is putting on four races right here in the QC area. I own two trucks, a bunch of motorcycles and over 10 bicycles…some of which are worth more than most motor driven vehicles on the road. The rest of the history you can get from the article.
In responding to the non-cyclists who posted your complaints…thank you! These issues need to be discussed. There are many reasons why a person might take up the lifestyle of being a cyclist. Most of those have been posted so I won’t rehash them. The article was written…if you really READ the piece, on safety and getting along with cars. We ALL need to share the road! The fact that I’m on my $6000 dollar titanium bike, does NOT mean that I don’t have a job, don’t pay taxes and don’t have insurance and the like. Now to the responses:
Posted by Brian from Moline at 7:16AM on Tuesday, 9/19/06…This leads one to question whether his results were polluted by a lack of capability in the operation of his bicycle. Very true.
Posted by IL res from EM at 8:08AM on Tuesday, 9/19/06…What about runners, I see runners at 5 am running against traffic on a 4 lane road (12th ave), this road has hills and curves and there is a sidewalk. I see these people as being completely stupid putting there life in danger. Can I get an AMEN to that?!@! I’m one of those runners! I have had a $24 THOUSAND knee surgery. Side walks are NOT safe to run on and I’m 150lbs and take up 2 feet of space on OUR 40 foot wide road. Sounds like you are not a healthy person…jealous? Get out and get some exercise and stop running my health care cost through the roof, because it is like those kinds of people that make the rest of us have to pay more for insurance because of your sedentary life styles. Obesity IS going to be the leading killer of Americans within the next ten years.
Posted by schqc from Moline at 8:56AM on Tuesday, 9/19/06…I would always encourage my child to ride on the sidewalk, when possible when near a busy street. I would also strongly argue against riding in the middle of the lane. On several streets I know, a car coming around a curve at the right time is going to nail any bicyclist. Many safe drivers will still cross the middle line or into the next lane when they see a bicycle sticking to the side of the road. The besst thing for bicyclists would be to triple current gas prices so more bikes were out on the roads. Children should NEVER be riding by busy streets. If they have too, they need to be accompanied by an adult. Riding on the sidewalks…again is against the law! A good cyclist doesn’t ride in the middle of the lane, especially in a blind curve. And MANY drivers DO NOT break the center line and pass. They just speed up to get by faster. The gas prices fortunately are going down which is good for everyone…we just need more cyclist period! Posted by some anonymous person at 9:52AM on Tuesday, 9/19/06 …I admit, I get angry when I come upon a cyclist on a highway and I have to slow down, or practically stop. When the bike riders start paying $80 for a sticker to use the roads, like I have to for my car, then perhaps I won't be as upset. Why do you think all cyclists don’t have a car and don’t pay the same fees as you? Pretty short sighted don’t you think? Posted by some anonymous person at 9:56AM on Tuesday, 9/19/06…Does anyway mind it I drive my car on the bike path? This doesn’t even deserve a response! Posted by BizzyBee at 11:15AM on Tuesday, 9/19/06… AMEN to Anonymous about the fact that vehicles pay for a sticker, bike's do not. There are bike paths for a reason. USE THEM I already responded to the sticker…I DO use the bike path every day…to get to the roads that I want to ride on that day. Posted by Diana from Moline at 11:26AM on Tuesday, 9/19/06…I'm sick of bicyclists that are on the street and refuse to follow the rules. Just the other day I saw a guy that had his feet attached to the bike pedals...so he couldn't put his foot on the ground to stop himself. Then he drove between lanes/cars, ignoring the stop light . Stay off my street, and I'll stay off your sidewalk. Intelligence is a wonderful thing! We should ALL follow the rules. It’s my street and your sidewalk also. Please get a copy of the Rules of the Road from the local DMV…that will answer a lot of questions. Posted by Confused from Rock Island at 12:40PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06...One thing that I have never understood...If you are driving a car and are going too slow you can get a ticket because it is unsafe, but cyclists are allowed to ride in regular traffic which usually results in them going too slow for the condition. How does that make sense? Only on the interstate where there is a posted minimum speed limit. Cyclist are not allowed on most major highways in the Midwest. What happens when you come up to a farm tractor or earth moving equipment? You slow down and pass when it is safe. Same thing applies here to cyclists. Posted by some anonymous person at 1:06PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06…$78 per year for plates (IL) $900 per year insurance (atleast) $$$ road tax figured in to crazy gas prices--losing the right away to a bike, PRICELESS So much wrong here I’m not even going to go there, except…you must be an unsafe driver if your insurance cost that much! Maybe you should be on a bike! :>)
Posted by Evil Keneivel at 1:27PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06… Bicyclists should take a "Rules of the Road" coarse…If a bicyclist is drunk, are they charged with DUI? We did…it was called Drivers Ed class. And yes they will be arrested if caught drinking and riding. The rest of your statement is not even worth responding to! Posted by some anonymous person at 2:03PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06…I think it is rude and unfair that I have to share the road with cyclists that endanger my life as a driver. can get a ticket for driving too slow for conditions, you are causing a detriment to the flow of traffic. Your tax dollars and my tax dollars have been spent on bike paths...use them! I agree that in limited sight line areas cyclist should not ride side by side and I preach that to my riders. And I’m sorry…we don’t endanger your life! Posted by some anonymous person at 2:24PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06…I think that any biker that is outside the city limits should have to have insurance on there bikes as well as pay a reistration fee. When you get a string of bikers together on the highway in a 55mph zone, alot of times, they don't move over at all to let cars by, there ends up being a huge string of cars that are stuck crawling along and sometimes ends up with a car getting rear ended because they don't realize that a car you would assume to be going 55 is going 5. I am respectful to bikers on the road and move over everytime, but I don't think I have ever meet a biker that has also moved over a hair to kind of compromise. What would the insurance be for? When you hit and kill me it would be your insurance that would cover it not mine! If the car in front of me stops suddenly and my motor vehicle gets rear ended…it’s not the guys fault in front of me it is the one behind me! And you have never driven past me then because I always move over to let you pass…as all cyclist should be considerate and do the same! Posted by some anonymous person at 2:41PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06…why did we spen so much money aon the bike path? no one seems to use it. on my way to work everyday i see more people ride on the road then i do on the bike path!!!!!!! good idea "anonymous at 9:56am! lets go drive on the bike path!!! Ignorance is bliss isn’t it? Posted by some anonymous person from Moline at 3:34PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06…I don't mind sharing the road with cyclist as long as they obey the rules of the road. I constantly see bikers running stop signs and red lights. And we SHOULD OBEY THE RULES. But don’t lump me in with all of the people that ride bikes! If you look at the person riding the bike…do they have safety equipment on? Not all people who ride bikes are cyclists. Some are people who cannot maintain their privilege of keeping a drivers license. We are not the same…not my fault they messed up! Posted by some anonymous person at 4:04PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06…Cyclists may have rights, but rights won't keep you out of the way of a fast moving car! Then slow down! If we all follow the rules we will ALL get along! Posted by Inhumanimal from RI at 4:20PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06… I truly believe that the cyclists that use the roads as if they were cars (like sitting in turning lanes) actually cause more accidents than they prevent. Making him cross the center line will make him WANT to drive really close to you to give you a hint to "get out of the way bike!" So, as a bicyclist for 15 years, I would have to respectfully disagree with this logic of riding a bike as if it were a car. Especially at night when drunk teens throw stuff at you. In my experience its best to take the sidestreets, cross busy intersections a few blocks away, and just stay out of the distracted drivers way and live to tell about it. :) But, to each his own. Anyone on a bike is good in my book. Actually, taking a left hand turn from the right hand side of the road and not in a turn lane is MORE dangerous than in the turn lane. We are a VEHICLE…we need to act like one. That means following the rules of the road. I’m sorry you feel the way you do! Please read John Forester’s “Effective Cycling” or Google him on the internet. A wealth of info! Posted by some anonymous person from moline at 4:48PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06…I would have to say I am cautious of bikers, BUT if you are going to ride in the street NEXT TO THE SIDEWALK....dont wonder why you got hit. Everyday almost I see bikers on the busiest streets next to the most perfect sidewalk ever! It is so insane, and then you honk at them to get on the sidewalk from the traffic jam they are causing and they get mad at you. Im plain fed up with it. We the vehicle drivers are the ones responsible when one of them bikers gets hit, simply not fair. They dont realize the hazards they really are causing. BIKERS YOU MUST USE CAUTION I think everyone already knows the response to this one! IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO RIDE ON THE SIDEWALK!! Definition of Sidewalk n : walk consisting of a paved area for pedestrians; usually beside a street or roadway. Need I say more? Posted by JohnCAnderson from the Quints at 5:45PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06… I haven't been yelled out or harrassed in a long time. These might be the reason why. I don't wear a helmit, but I do wear a tshirt that shows my muscles. I ride a few feet away from the curb and even swerve a little making me appear to be somewhat erratic, then as the cars get closer I move in toward the curb. I think since they are probably ready to give me a wide berth anyway, when I move in, they are usaually a safe distance away. I also glare a little as I look backwards. This probably scares the dirtbags and cowards in old rattle trap cars and beat up pick up trucks who might harass a guy in the standard issue helmit lycra outfit. One more quick comment. Many if not most of us who bike also own cars and thus we pay all the fees that the rest of you do. As far as licensing bikes is concerned. If that would guarantee that we would be given at least three safe feet to bike on any road, I'd be happy to pay it and I'm sure other bikers would too. And as far as staying on the bike paths is concerned, many of us do that but the bike paths don't take us everywhere we want to go. John…the first comment is some of the most ridiculous stuff I’ve ever heard. This is why we are not respected on the road…purely by your actions and attitude! The last comments I whole heartedly agree with! Posted by tax payer from henry county at 6:34PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06…I totaly agree with Evil K. Pay like we do or stay on the bike path. I wont cross a double line on the highway. I would get a ticket. Remember what I said about ignorance? So you won’t pass a farm tractor? Or do you treat them like you do me? If you pass when it is safe it is not illegal! Posted by Anonymous from Coal Valley at 7:33PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06…To anonymous at 1:06 PM -----Your figure for the cost of plates is outdated !!! I just renewed my automobile plates ( for a compact car ) less than two weeks ago, and the renewal price was $85.00 !!!!! Also, my automobile insurance is well over the $900 that you quote !!!!! Another bad driver! My insurance is $563.76 with multiple vehicles…Statefarm. How many tickets you got?
Posted by True Conservative from Moline, Illinois at 10:47PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06…Nice job! Couldn’t have said it better myself!
And now my favorite…Posted by some anonymous person at 3:01PM on Tuesday, 9/19/06…This idiot is advising cyclists to ride far enough into the lane to force the cars to cross the center line to pass. In saying this, he sure has a great deal of faith in a heavy, metal object travelling at a high rate of speed to take effective evasive maneuvers. As a car driver, I try to avoid crossing the center line, since it is illegal to do so, unless it is a marked passing zone. Hence, it is in the best interest of the smaller, more likely to get killed, vehicle, to get out of the way of traffic. It is no wonder Mr. Miller has been hit 3 times and gets things thrown at him. His ideas of what safety should be cause drivers to percieve him as being the rude, inconsiderate one. I hope the 4th time he gets hit won't kill him. Isn’t it amazing how people that have very biased opinions NEVER give their names? This idiot…as you were so RUDE in calling me…without even knowing me, has probably spent more time, money and miles on my bicycles than you in your cars. Don’t judge which that you do not know! As with ALL interviews…and bless Amy for a GREAT article…they never have the space or time to give all of the facts! First…it is BY FAR safer to ride where I do than allow cars to approach that close. If I ride in the gutter…which is where you want me to ride, that is where all of the trash, glass, nails and other debris is at. You don’t drive there to protect YOUR tires, then why should I. Also, if I’m riding there taking up three inches of road, you will try and see how close you can get to me without hitting me! If I ride in the right tire groove on the road…in areas where the line of sight is clear…you have to slow to get around me. That is what I want…YOU TO SLOW DOWN TO PASS ME! As everyone has stated…we have the RIGHT to be there! You passing me at a high rate of speed is dangerous and against the law! I ride on roads with posted speed limits of up to 55mph. If I give you the full road you will pass me when an oncoming car is also in the path. Not very advisable. Are you in that much of a hurry that you cannot wait the actual seconds not minutes to get around me? In the three times I have been hit; first one a lady in a truck pulled away from the right hand side of the road with no regard to me and cut me off then immediately turned right into a driveway and I T-bone her and flipped into the back of her truck. She was ticketed and at fault. Second, I passed a parked car and he pulled from the right side of the road without looking and no regard for me and side swiped me putting me on the hood of his car. Ticketed and at fault! Third, a family of three in a car that had no good working brakes ran a red light down by the Arsenal Bridge and flipped me up and over the top of his station wagon while my bike went underneath his car. Ticket and at fault! I have been riding a lot longer than bike paths have been in the area and it is people like you that don’t want us on the roads or bike paths…yes we get yelled at on the BIKE PATH also because the inconsiderate person walking their dog on a 15 foot lead or the person riding with their little ones all over the path have no regard for staying in their lane and riding/walking/talking in unsafe manners…which becomes OUR fault. All of these incidents were the result of people not following the rules of the road…look before you proceed into traffic, in a safe manner…and almost severely hurt me. So instead of complain about it like you…I’m developing a business to EDUCATE EVERYONE…including you Mr. Anonymous on how to get along with bicycles and autos! Come take my class, I’m sure there is something I can teach you! Too many cyclist die each year because of ignorant drivers thinking that we should not be there...this needs to stop!
I apologize for being so long…but some things just can’t let slip by! Happy riding…I hope to see you on the road! I'll be looking for you...I hope your looking for me!
Sincerely,
Donnie Miller
Donnie’s Indoor Cycling Experience
Posted by JL from EM at 4:40PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
Hey, JohnC! Park yourself in one of those $700 library chairs with a dictionary. It's spelled H-E-L-M-E-T.
Posted by Anonymous from Coal Valley at 5:06PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
In response to Donnie Miller from Moline at 3:25 PM ...... who falsely accused me of being a bad driver and asked how many tickets I had received
For your information ----- I have not received ANY ( i.e., zero ) tickets ( even parking tickets ) in well over 40 years of driving ......... CAN YOU SAY THE SAME ??? And yet YOU accuse ME of being a bad driver !!!!! My high insurance cost is more related to the age ( less than three years ) and expense of the vehicles that I own than to a bad driving record ( which I don't have ) as you falsely claim. .......... Further, the only accidents which I have had were being "rear-ended" while I was stopped or slowed by vehicles in front of me (or while stopped at a stop sign or stop-light ), or by persons running a stop sign or stop-light !!!
Posted by Moline Driver from moline at 5:23PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
I once had a biker come up on me right before I wanted to get into a right turn lane, well i had to slam on my brakes for the guy cause he wanted to go straight, so then it made cars behind me slam on their brakes because i had to go 2 mph so this screwball could go straight and block the turn lane. that kind of stuff gets me mad. I have no problem moving over for a bike, but if it is busy 23rd avenue at rush hour, there are cars in all lanes, and the only thing to do is follow behing the biker! That is an insane law that bikes cannot ride on the sidewalk, my kids will always be on the sidewalk, i would really like to see one biker actually get a ticket for riding on the sidewalk. And it is only dangerous to ride on the sidewalk around intersections and the like if you the biker do not stop as well, i admit i have almost hit people that way, but it is also the bikers responsibility to stop and or slow down as well, make sure that driver sees you dont just fly through the intersection/driveway.
Posted by Brian from Moline at 6:26PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
I would like to step away from this somewhat comedic little argument and give Mr. Miller deep appreciation for opening an Effective Cycling class in this area. As a self-taught transportation oriented cyclist with a copy of Forester's big yellow book on my shelf, I have long wished for the local existence of such instruction to which I might direct potential riders.
A steady stream of education will go far towards counteracting the mass of ignorance on the subject of cycling that is possessed by this country in general and this region in particular.
I regularly commute by bike to an office not very far from where you are opening your business. Maybe we will see each other on the road some day.
Posted by True Conservative from Moline, Illinois at 6:35PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
Hey Donnie, I have to keep my name annonymous 'cuz of my day job...sorry. Any chance you might do a follow-up article on Winter or night riding? When my kids were young, I had to do most of my riding between 10 and 2. I wore strobes and had a home made water bottle battery. My buddies and I were once stopped by the police just to tell us that they could see those strobes two miles away!
Also, I love my commuter bike and my buddies from the QCBC use to laugh at it. Now that it is so old, it is even wors (I did have a full Durace Custom, but didn't like it near as much). Do you care what kinda junk I ride, if I visit your fascility?
Posted by JohnCAnderson from Nerve Anna at 9:45PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
I could care less about how ridiculous you think my first comment is., it's true. If a car or truck driver harasses me he is going to get his keester kicked.
I think the silly lycra outfit you official looking bike riders wear is beyond ridiculous.
And those conehead helmets.
How fit does riding your skinny wheeled bike riding make you?
Would you care to have a chin up contest?
We could do it for charity.
Regardless of how many organizations you belong to and what kind of silly garb you may wear, I guarantee I can beat you.
Posted by JohnCAnderson from Nerve Anna at 9:53PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
This is why we are not respected on the road…purely by your actions and attitude! The last comments I whole heartedly
Work on your writing. You probably should have said, "purely by the actions and attitude of you and others like you."
But then maybe you meant that every sissy suited bike rider in America is dissed because of the actions of little ol' me?
I'm the one responsible for all that grief?
It saddens me, and yet it makes me feel important at the same time.
How would you like to race across Death Valley in July, with no water?
Posted by JohnCAnderson from Nerve Anna at 10:00PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
Hey JL, thanks for the correction. And thanks for posting it in a humorous way.
Hope I spelled humorous okay, or is it o.k.?
The very few who know and love me and the multitudes who know and hate me, know I think very highly of myself. Butt, I don't know if my butt is worthy of being parked in a $700 chair.
Posted by Brian from Moline at 11:40PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06
"I once had a biker come up on me right before I wanted to get into a right turn lane, well i had to slam on my brakes for the guy cause he wanted to go straight"
You had a cyclist "come up on" you? Is this another way of saying you were overtaking a cyclist travelling in front of you? If so, why did you have to "slam on" your brakes? Were you not attentive to the roadway and its occupants, as is required by law?
Posted by Donnie Miller from Moline at 10:32AM on Thursday, 9/21/06
Me again! I'm not going to go away! Here are some more responses to some more rediculous attitudes. Can't we all just get along? That's all we want!
Posted by Anonymous from Coal Valley at 5:06PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06…In response to Donnie Miller from Moline at 3:25 PM ...... who falsely accused me of being a bad driver and asked how many tickets I had received. Here again…your anonymity makes it so people assume the details since you do not want to disclose any info. I never meant to have you think anything other than your high cost of insurance is attributed to SOMETHING. If you are going to disclose info…give the whole story so people don’t make up their own mind about your situation. It seems I took the time and was courteous to do the same…so can you! Please except my apology! So…that still doesn’t seem to change your attitude towards me, the cyclist, who is trying to educate the masses on how we can ALL get along! So closed minded you won’t listen to logic and reason? Seems we have a larger problem brewing here! :>)
Posted by Moline Driver from moline at 5:23PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06…once had a biker go 2 mph…he wanted to go straight (in the) right turn lane…That is an insane law that bikes cannot ride on the sidewalk, my kids will always be on the sidewalk, i would really like to see one biker actually get a ticket for riding on the sidewalk….i admit i have almost hit people that way. So many things to say here where to start…2mph is pretty much impossible so I doubt the situation is as you said. If the cyclist was going straight in the right turn lane HE WAS AT FAULT and should have been to the left of the right hand turning lane not impeding traffic…I do agree with you on that…but we still have the right to be there! We just need to get along with each other and ride/drive in a predictable manner. Nothing irritates me more than when I am driving my vehicle, people drive not paying attention, putting make-up on, talking on the cell phone and smoking a cigarette, decide to come from the right lane…go across three lanes at the last minute to get in the left turn lane without signaling and flip me the finger because they cut ME off while I’m driving defensively signaling my intentions in the proper lane, making decisions long before the turn or lane change needs to be made. Bad drivers are BAD DRIVERS…they are everywhere and more prominent than us cyclists!! We’ve also discussed the sidewalk thing…dead issue and I don’t write the laws! Talk to your city officials on that one not me! And yes tickets do get issued…talk with your local police officer on that one! And almost hitting people walking or riding on the sideWALK should be reason enough to understand…let’s just hope it’s not one of YOUR children!
Posted by Brian from Moline at 6:26PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06…I regularly commute by bike to an office not very far from where you are opening your business. Maybe we will see each other on the road some day. Thank you! Education is what it is all about! Please stop by and say Hi! Everyone (including angry drivers) are all welcome to stop in and talk with me.
Posted by True Conservative from Moline, Illinois at 6:35PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06…Also, I love my commuter bike and my buddies from the QCBC use to laugh at it. Now that it is so old, it is even wors (I did have a full Durace Custom, but didn't like it near as much). Do you care what kinda junk I ride, if I visit your fascility? A bike is a bike is a bike is a bike…all are welcome from the top shelf stuff to the 30yr old Monkey Wards bikes. If you ride that’s all that matters to me! Please come by and say Hi!
Posted by JohnCAnderson from Nerve Anna at 9:45PM on Wednesday, 9/20/06…I could care less about how ridiculous you think my first comment is., it's true. If a car or truck driver harasses me he is going to get his keester kicked. I think the silly lycra outfit you official looking bike riders wear is beyond ridiculous. And those conehead helmets. How fit does riding your skinny wheeled bike riding make you? Would you care to have a chin up contest? We could do it for charity. Regardless of how many organizations you belong to and what kind of silly garb you may wear, I guarantee I can beat you. This is why we are not respected on the road…purely by your actions and attitude! The last comments I whole heartedly… Work on your writing. You probably should have said, "purely by the actions and attitude of you and others like you." But then maybe you meant that every sissy suited bike rider in America is dissed because of the actions of little ol' me? I'm the one responsible for all that grief? It saddens me, and yet it makes me feel important at the same time. How would you like to race across Death Valley in July, with no water? John…you make me laugh! Does this mean you are going to beat me up on the playground after school? Violence never solves anything! And as we all know…I’m not hiding from you…you know where I’m at and I don’t know the same of you…come on down BIG BOY! The clothes we wear are technical in nature and have many specific reasons. And by me wearing them out in public must mean that I am OK with my masculinity…which it sounds like your “Good ‘ole Boy” backwards a*@ attitude must mean that I am a threat to you! Again…GROW UP AND ACT LIKE AN ADULT! Safety is first and foremost…and when that truck driver bigger than you runs you over and you smack you’re little head on the pavement I HOPE you survive to ride another day! And any little contest you want to do…put your money where your mouth is! You should not assume things that which you do not know! Any race, anytime! By the way we have one this weekend if you’re up to it…you know where I’m at! And by the way…I write just fine and I said what I meant! Don’t put words in my mouth and I won’t put anything in YOURS!
Still Here...Not hiding!
Donnie Miller
Donnie's Indoor Cycling Experience
Posted by moline driver from Moline at 11:12AM on Thursday, 9/21/06
Okay Brian...."Were you not attentive to the roadway and its occupants, as is required by law?"....IF i was not attentive, this man would have been HIT!! What about the biker being attentive to the roadway and its occupants, this man had no regard as to what was going on, he felt he could do what he wanted because he was the on the bike and that is it. My point entirely. You were not there, so therefore, you cannot say anything like "You had a cyclist "come up on" you? Is this another way of saying you were overtaking a cyclist travelling in front of you? If so, why did you have to "slam on" your brakes?" Had you been there you would have been just as angry. The bikers are most likely car drivers themselves, so it ponders me why they are so inconsiderate when they are on their bikes, or maybe they are the ones who are inconsiderate when they drive a car as well....
Posted by JohnCAnderson from East Moline at 11:44AM on Thursday, 9/21/06
And any little contest you want to do…put your money where your mouth is! You should not assume things that which you do not know! Any race
If it's any little contest I want to do, then let's make it a chin up contest. I'm willing to wager $200.
We could have it sometime in November.
By then I'll probably be able to do around 25, dead hang, all the way down, no cheat chin-ups.
Posted by Donnie Miller from Moline at 11:53AM on Thursday, 9/21/06
Posted by JohnCAnderson from East Moline at 11:44AM on Thursday, 9/21/06... If it's any little contest I want to do, then let's make it a chin up contest. I'm willing to wager $200. We could have it sometime in November. By then I'll probably be able to do around 25... Still have the playground mentality! Why November...gotta bulk up? I suppose your gonna get your dad to beat up my dad too? Grow up...this is all getting pretty ridiculous!
Posted by some anonymous person at 12:25PM on Thursday, 9/21/06
Everybody get off this comment board!!....JohnCAnderson is the toughest guy around and he wants us all to know it!!
He can whup anybody in any contest anytime!
Get a job, John, you're making yourself sound like a fool.....
Posted by Anonymous from Coal Valley at 12:52PM on Thursday, 9/21/06
To Donnie Miller from Moline at 10:32 AM ....... who responded to my 5:06 PM post ........ in which you stated ( and I quote ) " I never meant to have you think anything other than your high cost of insurance is attributed to SOMETHING. "
I suggest that you go back and CAREFULLY read your 3:25 PM Post !!!!!
At the end of the 7th paragraph of your post, you stated ....... ( and I quote directly from yout post ) ......... " Another bad driver! My insurance is $563.76 with multiple vehicles…Statefarm. How many tickets you got? "
Calling me a " bad driver " and asking
" How many tickets you got? " in response to my statement about the high cost of my auto insurance is a DIRECT implication that the high cost of my insurance is attributed to my driving record ( which you falsely clam is bad ) !!!!!!!
Furthermore, there is nothing in either of my posts which expresses any attitude toward cyclists ....... I was only making corrections ( to incorrect information in a previous post ) about the cost of renewal auto plates and the high cost of auto insurance !!!!!!! If anyone has an attitude problem ......... it seems to be YOU !!!!!!!!!
Posted by some anonymous person from chicago at 1:52PM on Thursday, 9/21/06
bikes belong on the road you idiots. get used to it
Posted by Lance Armstrong at 2:45PM on Thursday, 9/21/06
As long as John stays at home on his computer instead of actully going out into the real world and socializing with real people, the rest of us weaklings stand a chance and are safe! Once he leaves his house, look out!!
Posted by some anonymous person at 3:30PM on Thursday, 9/21/06
Roads are made for motor vehicles not bicycles. We can't drive on sidewalks or bike paths, so why is it legal for them to have the right of way on the road? How are we supposed to give you wiggle room if there is oncoming traffic, did you ever think of that. I'm not risking my life for a bicycler, because he is on my side of the road or vise versa. Use the sidewalks and bike paths provided for you, then we all can get along!!!
Posted by Donnie Miller from Moline at 3:56PM on Thursday, 9/21/06
Posted by Anonymous from Coal Valley at 12:52PM on Thursday, 9/21/06 ...I suggest that you go back and CAREFULLY read your 3:25 PM Post !!!!! I stand corrected! My sincerest apologies! When you get bombarded from every direction...I'd like to see YOU keep a cool head! Get over it! Now I've apologized to you twice...what else do you want?
Donnie Miller
Donnie's Indoor Cycling Experience
Posted by to anonymous at 3:30 from Rock Island at 4:51PM on Thursday, 9/21/06
Are you crazy? No, its ILLEGAL for a bike on the sidewalk. It's LEGAL for them to be on the ROAD. ROADS ARE MADE FOR ALL VEHICLES.
If you were in Amish country, would you tell the horse and buggy drivers to ride on the sidewalk?
Sidewalks ARE NOT PROVIDED FOR BIKERS.
Posted by Cyclist from Hampton at 5:15PM on Thursday, 9/21/06
For your information, copied and pasted directly from the Illinois Rules of the Road
On most roadways, bicyclists have the same rights and responsibilities as other roadway users. Bicyclists are prohibited on limited-access highways, expressways and certain other marked roadways. Following are laws and safety tips you should know:
Bicyclists are required to travel in the same direction as vehicles.
Bicyclists should travel just to the right of faster moving traffic. However, certain hazards, such as rough surfaces, debris, drainage grates or a narrow traffic lane, may require bike riders to move toward the center of the lane.
Drivers must yield the right-of-way to a bicyclist just as they would to another vehicle.
When passing a bicyclist do so slowly and leave at least 3 ft. of passing space.
A motorist should not park or drive in marked bike lanes.
When following bicyclists, give them plenty of room and be prepared to stop quickly. Use extra caution during rainy and icy weather. At night do not use high beams when you see an oncoming bicycle rider.
After parking and before opening vehicle doors, a motorist should first check for bicyclists.
When a motorist is turning left and there is a bicyclist entering the intersection from the opposite direction, the driver should wait for the bicyclist to pass before making the turn. Also, if a motorist is sharing the left turn lane with a bicyclist, stay behind them until they have safely completed their turn.
If a motorist is turning right and a bicyclist is approaching on the right, let the bicyclist go through the intersection first before making a right turn. Remember to always signal your turns
Posted by some anonymous person at 5:56PM on Thursday, 9/21/06
when driving my car i get annoyed with bicyclists that ride in the middle of the road and use a left turn lane as if in a car. when on my bike i will cross as if a pedestrian. i try to avoid busy streets but if on one i use the side walk, this may mean going out of my way, but is safe for me and motorized vechicle drivers. when on a sidewalk i will go around a walker
Posted by JohnCAnderson from currently Moline at 7:42PM on Thursday, 9/21/06
Lance, I saw you doing chin-ups in that commercail.
You cheated, you did not do complete chin-ups.
To whoever, I have a job and if I'm making myself look like a fool that's okay, I am a fool, but I'm also a wise man in many respects.
Pay close attention to my posts and you might learn how to live your life outloud, and be proud, and have a hell of a lot of fun.
Posted by True Conservative from Moline, Illinois at 9:43PM on Thursday, 9/21/06
The only time I remember coming close to getting hit or having a driver get angry at me was when I crossed an intersection on the side walk. Drivers just aren't expecting a bike to come popping out from behind a building. Pedestrians can stop quick and easy, not so bikes. That said, I still find my self on the side walk from time to time because there are places where it is just a lot safer than trying to hold my own against motorized traffic. Fortunately, that's rare because I try to avoid having to ride on or along busy streets to get where I'm going.
Posted by another cyclist from hampton at 11:49PM on Thursday, 9/21/06
FYI... I was looking at the obituaries for Friday and what do I see...
_________________He died suddenly as a result of a bicycle/vehicular accident.
I will not print the name however if you look for yourselves you will find it too.
I believe this problem stems back from Kindergarten (Share) a lot of people have a problem with that word.. apparently everything has turned into "MINE"....
The roadways were mean for sharing, the bike paths are wonderful however I don't work RIGHT on the river and if I need to get to work, well guess what, I have to get off the bike path. I stop at stop signs, I follow rules of the road, and even wear a helmet. I too have been cursed at AT A STOPLIGHT and I was stopped waiting for the light myself, I have had pop cans thrown at me, cigarette butts thrown at me and even had a car full of teenagers run me into a drainage grate and by the way, I wasn't on a mountain bike.. (GET THE PICTURE). I can't ride on sidewalks in Hampton, one because we don't have any.. if we do it is VERY Limited.. two if I did I would get a ticket since stated in my rules of the road it is illegal for bicycles to be on sidewalks.
I can't believe people are actually complaining about some people wanting to be healthy and participate in an activity that is relaxing, enjoyable and over all self rewarding. Are you jealous because we can ride, or find the time to ride? Are you angry that you can't devote that much time and energy into an activity? I understand on most circumstances that one bad apple spoils the bunch. But every cyclist I have encountered have followed the rules of the road and h*ll some can even keep up with most vehicles.
For whatever reason some of you may have against cyclist, it still doesn't give you the right to shove us off a road, throw items at us, or endanger our lives. By the time it takes you to turn your radio to another station you have already passed us.
Give it a rest already..........
Donnie - I think you have a fantastic idea to teach safety.. I will be sure to wave at you when you pass by with your pack.....
Posted by Cyclist from Hampton at 7:23AM on Friday, 9/22/06
Some of you just dont get it do you? Bicyles have the same right and responsiblites as a motor car. That means that when I make a left turn of course I use the left turn lane. You expect me to get off fhe roadway and circumvent the intersection to make my turn?
Please read and try to comprehend the rules and laws that I posted above.
One thing this string of posts has taught me.You people are really more ignorant than I had thought, and I will have to double my efforts to aviod being maimed or injured by such intolerant and impatient human beings.
Posted by JohnCAnderson from East Moline at 11:01AM on Friday, 9/22/06
True Conservative, thanks for mentioning the intersection bit when biking on the street.
One must be very, very, careful when crossing that street. If you bike like that a lot and always assume you're seen you will be seen by a lot of people, but you won't be on your bike, you'll be in your casket.
Posted by JohnCAnderson from East Moline at 11:12AM on Friday, 9/22/06
Pretty kind of you to refer to us as human, Hamp.
Posted by Cyclist from Hampton at 12:09PM on Friday, 9/22/06
"Pretty kind of you to refer to us as human, Hamp."
Your welcome
Well John I see you as more to the middle of the road on this issue as you do ride a bike. I know you are a bright person who loves to have fun. We are aquainted as I used to stumble into your tavern once in a while and stare thru the brown bottle , having been rasied In Silvis.
I find your chinup challenges humerous though.You said you can beat anyone but then need a month to train. Best be careul not to overtrain and injure yourself.Trust me us skinny a$$ bikers are very fit.I will be riding a 100 mile event tomorrow. Great fun when properly prepared.I will be taking water .
I myself found the lycra outfits humerous until I got serious about biking. Keeps me cool and dry in any condition and very comftorble. The conehead held helmet also saved me from more seroius head injury and possible death.
Posted by Bicyclist from Moline at 1:22PM on Friday, 9/22/06
Look at all these inflammatory posts by drivers. Listen bicyclists, YES you should circumvent intersections, YES you should take sidestreets, NO YOU SHOULD ACT LIKE YOU ARE A CAR ON THE STREET!!!! These drivers will never take you seriously, so save your life and ride the side streets.
Posted by some anonymous person at 4:00PM on Friday, 9/22/06
I think you are all crazy to get so worked up over this article. I drive a car and admit that when I meet a bike on the road, it frustrated me, but I move over and hope they do as well. Sometimes the bikes don't move at all, but sometimes the cars don't move either. It's just the way life goes. Everyone's attitudes and personalities are different. Nobody posting here sounds anymore logical than the next person. I guess bike riders chance getting hit by a car, just like car drivers chance hitting a biker. Both have bad results. I'm sure that car driver could go to Donnie's place as a driver and get a little understanding for bike riding as well.
Posted by some anonymous person at 4:44PM on Friday, 9/22/06
Hamp, I could probably do around fifteen chins right now.
I used to do centuries every once in awhile.
I probably did too many once while training for the 24 hr challenge over in Eldridge.
Previously I had done around two hundred and ten, maybe two twenty on a heavy old huffy.
The last time I only did 180 but I did that in 12 hours. I just wasn';t in the mood to circle around Eldridge after sundown.
Thanks for the compliments. I'll buy you a coke sometime.
P.S. One of the worst centuries I ever did was a round trip to Galesburg on that rutty old road out by Coal Valley.
Posted by True Conservative from Moline, Illinois at 5:18PM on Friday, 9/22/06
I see all these posts as being quite informative and having the positive effect of making people more aware of cycling for commuting. In fact I'd like to see this discussion go to a regular blog where we can trade insites on equip. and such. Not just organized rides like the QCBC, but practical cycling, negatives and nay sayers as well as the positives. It's been so long since I've heard anyone talk about my favorite type of riding (practical) that this has been a real treat!
Posted by True Conservative from Moline, Illinois at 5:57PM on Friday, 9/22/06
Here's an outrageous idea. The shoulders on Interstate Highways are wide, smooth and generally provide excellant, soft run off. What if we allowed cyclist to ride on them? You'd be so far from the passing traffic, with those wide shoulders, that it would be like the world's greatest, though heavily poluted, bike trail!
Posted by to True Con(man)servative from Rock Island at 7:50AM on Saturday, 9/23/06
Truly outrageous. Not even funny, and illegal too!
Read the Rules of the Road - remember the book with the pictures and words you had to look at to get a driver's license?
Oh yes - normally I don't litigate, but for you, if you'd even tap my bike with your car? I'd make an exception. Deal with it. We all try for the side roads whenever possible, but if I do want to bike to work, I have to take River Drive in the QCA part way, and a main street on the Illinois side to get down the hill.
Get over yourself, conman.
Posted by some anonymous person from RI at 8:33AM on Saturday, 9/23/06
Helmet or no helmet if you fall in front of my truck your DEAD!!!!!
Posted by Dylan from Santa Cruz at 11:08AM on Saturday, 9/23/06
Helmet or no helmet......!!!!!
Truly intelligent remark, Homer. And it isn't "your," it's "you're," by the way. And why, exactly, would someone be "falling" in front of your truck? And would that be while you are DUI/sober/either?
Posted by True Conservative from Moline, Illinois at 11:38AM on Saturday, 9/23/06
To True Con. I don't understand your response. It seems to me we are on the same side! I merely sought opinion on making it LEGAL to use Interstate shoulders as bike lanes.
I don't tail gate anyone, on my bike or in my car! I don't press anyone into or out of a lane, much less against a curb. I too try for the side roads and utilize the bike path in order to get to other routes I need for going places. Unfortunately, this is not always possible and I use main streets. When it gets just plain scary, I have jumped up on to the side walk, but it's gotta be pretty bad or where the side walks are never used (like 19th Street running beside then under I-74) because coming from behind buildings, at intersections, it is too hard for drivers to anticipate me.
When I commuted daily, I rode down through River Side Cemetary and across two busy streets to get to Ben Butterworth, to the Arsenal bridge, then up the least busy hill, to the Davenport Airport.
Because of this, I sincerely apologize if I've given some other impression. I'm not sure there is anything besides The Lord and most people that I enjoy as much as bicycles.
BTW, I seen John out and about even before he got what I consider a good bike. Whether we agree with his more confrontation approach to drivers or not, he does put on the miles and is a truly practical cyclist (sorry if that last sentence didn't make a lot of sense to some).
Posted by True Conservative from Moline, Illinois at 12:08PM on Saturday, 9/23/06
Anonymous from RI. Once a bike is underway, it actually takes quite a bit for it to just fall over. I don't know if it is the centrifical force of the wheels or whatever, but it is highly unlikely that a bike will ever fall in front of your truck. Now, if it is upright and in the right of way, you are responsible if you hit that cyclist. I honestly believe that isn't any more likely than for you to hit another truck or car. I do understand the fear many have that they might one day hit a cyclist, it is a rare that something like that happens. When you add in all the inexperienced and uneducated children to the careless adults as well as serious cyclists, it is actually amazing that there aren't more motor vehicle and cyclist accidents.
I'd like to reiterate that in nearly three decades of cycling (though not near enough recently), I've rarely had a motor vehicle do anything that was at all inappropriate. I've even had MANY go out of their way to be accomodating. I wonder if it is because I avoid riding Monday mornings, Friday evenings and Saturday nights? I sure wish I could say my record against the motoring community were as good...hmmm, maybe I'd better take Dennis' course!!!
Posted by to True Conservative from Rock Island at 2:09PM on Saturday, 9/23/06
Sorry - thought you were heavy on the sarcasm. I'd hate to ride on the interstate, the way the trucks and cars drive.
Posted by Terry from former RI at 5:18PM on Saturday, 9/23/06
I want to know just how many of you bike riders actually stop at a stop sign or signal then "walk" your bike across the intersection. I grew up in Rock Island and that was the way I was taught. Most times the bicycle rider is blowing right through.
Posted by True Conservative from Moline, Illinois at 9:33PM on Saturday, 9/23/06
To Terry:
Cyclists don't have to get off and walk an intersection any more than a motorcycle or moped. You will, from time to time see what appears to be a bike running a red light. I'm not saying it is right or wrong (before I get blasted by folks on both sides), but the fact is, lights can not detect bikes and one can sit a mighty long time waiting for a car to pull and set off the sensor. You can be sure, they are at least slow, if not stopping, checking for cross traffic, before taking off. In fact, you are more likely to see this when we are taking less traveled routes. The left hand turn by River Side (where the one ways divide), on the way down to Ben Butterworth, is a good example. I often walk it, as if there were a cross walk (there isn't), because I know that turning left without the arrow LOOKS bad for bikers (hard on arthritic hips, knees and ankles for which cycling is quite good).
A better question might be, when was the last time you saw someone do it in a dangerous manner? Kinda like motorists making California stops and turns, exceeding the speed limit or cops that actually obey those same limits (sorry, personal pet peeve... and no I haven't had a speeding ticket in years).
Posted by Once QC at 3:02PM on Sunday, 9/24/06
I used to commute 20 miles each way a bout 180 days a year in the QC. I did this for 7 years. I crossed from Colona/Greenrock to my job in Davenport. I would not ride when the temperature was below 15 degrees or bad weahter. I owned and paid taxes on two cars that I put a lot of gas in to drive to cycling races/ visit family and go on vacation. I paid for my share of the roads.
During my years of commuting in the QC, I have been shot with a BB gun, had trash thrown at me from cars, and been harrassed by drivers for no known reason. As a very experienced cyclist, I avoid bike paths.Butterworth is misnamed as being a bike path. There are too many pedestrians on the path. I once had the misfortune of riding slowly on the path when a small girl fell off her bike and in front of me. I had no choice but run over her arm. She was not hurt but the accident was unavoidable and scary. Riding the sidewalk/bikepath is dangerous. Bikepaths will not go where I am going. Experienced cyclists know that the bikepath is not for bikes. They also know that the roads are dangerous too. Bikes are dangerous to pedestrians as cars are dangerous to bikes.
I have had good excpereinces with drives. Once when I had a metal plate in the street pierce my rear tire in a manner that was unrepairable a driver who witnessed this gave me a 10 mile ride home. Often when I had flat tires that I could repair, I had to turn down offers of a ride.
Cyclinhg has risks. I just hope that drivers do their due diligence as cyclists must do.
Posted by True Conservative from Moline, Illinois at 7:49PM on Sunday, 9/24/06
Wow, I just don't understand. How could anyone have so many bad experiences cycling? I'm a tiny dude, so it can't be that anyone is intimidated by me (perhaps they know they'll look stupid picking in the little guy?). I'm guessing people aren't being careful enough to be considerate of those around them.
Posted by Claude at 8:34PM on Sunday, 9/24/06
I've seen dozens of cyclists on iowa street and highways. Most behave themselves but I have seen others actually weave out in front of cars on the road traveling the same direction they are. Suicide! I guess someone must have done something to upset the cyclist but, quadriplegic cyclists are NOT what we need. Law suits and legal action still leave the unfortunate in the same postion, injured, paralized or dead. Bottom line "DriveRide Defensively" and ride smart.
Posted by JohnCAnderson from Mud Island at 1:12PM on Monday, 9/25/06
Itr's not outrageous at all True, it's a sensible suggestion. In fact, out west one is allowed to bike on the interstates, on the shoulder of the road.
Someone might argue, yes but they have less traffic. That's true, but those shoulders are wide and everybody is going the same way and there are no cubrs etc.
I think this suggestion should be forwarded to someone in a position of power who might act upon it.
Some other poster said something about drivers should know something about biking.
They need to teach bike awareness (if they don't already) in driver's education. Maybe they could even require the students to do a little biking.
The problem between bikers and motorists is not insurrmountable, but it will take a little effort and a little education to solve it.
Posted by JohnCAnderson from Mud Island at 1:21PM on Monday, 9/25/06
They are not going to like this comment, but it's ture. I suspect that those who wear the "official" looking duds are targeted more than those who dress in tshirts etc.
Why is that? It probably has to do with the fact that the Neanderthals handing out the abuse see these people as "sissies" and thus deserving to be mistreated. I'm not saying these bikers are homosexuals, but I am saying that some crude ignorant people might feel that way.
They probably don't target the shabby dressed bikers because they feel a certain kinship with them.
Now feel free to fly off the handle, but before you do, consider what I've posted and consider human nature.
Posted by Jenny Wren from Moline at 1:39PM on Monday, 9/25/06
I think biker duds are a little, well, extreme. You end up seeing a lot more of a guy than you'd like to. Unless he's extra hunky, I guess. Especially if he's wearing red spandex like the guy in the photo. Fashion concious bicyclists, especially the guys, take note: Wearing black spandex will reveal a lot less of your, well, personal "details," than the colors will.
Posted by Michelle from Rock Island at 2:04PM on Monday, 9/25/06
To JohnCAnderson: I guarantee you have about 500 pissed off cyclists that could kick your ass right now in a bike race. They wear those clothes for comfort. Sissies? Homosexuals? Get a clue...those clothes are very costly and designed for comfort. And the bikes they ride probably cost as much as your car.
Posted by some anonymous person at 2:55PM on Monday, 9/25/06
jenny wren not everyone is concerned with looks
Posted by some anonymous person at 2:57PM on Monday, 9/25/06
I moved to the QC from Chicago and one of my first days there, I remember riding my bike down Ave of the Cities and getting honked and yelled at "get on the sidewalk". I lived there for two years and sadly the drivers never stopped their honking and yelling.
Posted by True Conservative from Moline, Illinois at 7:55PM on Monday, 9/25/06
Hey, John C has a point. It's not right and I too used to wear a lot of spandex (at my current age, NO ONE wants to see that). When I wore a racing tard, pedestrians would yell at me and I could tell I was getting a lot of strange looks from drivers. I'm sure the fact that I'm a little guy, if muscular (back then), had something to do with it too. The other day, some moron yelled that I was gay because I was wearing a purple shirt (called my gay brother and asked him if I needed some sort of temporary union card or something).
Today, I still only ride in shamie shorts, but with a baggie covering. I've found that baggie, over sized t's work just as well for most riding. I wear cycling shoes, most of the time, for efficiency and anyone that has never ridden with cycling gloves doesn't know what they are missing.
I don't race and if I did, I think I'd still save the lycra for when I was not training, but that's just me. Many people riding with me wear lycra. I've found it best if I save that kind money for specialized Winter riding gear...Gortex was a wonderful invention.
Posted by Donnie Miller from Moline at 8:49PM on Monday, 9/25/06
This is the study that Amy used for this article...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060913/sc_nm/bikes_dc_5
.I thought you might like the rest of the story.
Still here...just too busy to argue...I will write more later! John C Anderson...I raced this weekend...where were you?
Donnie Miller
Donnie's Indoor Cycling Experience
Posted by Donnie Miller from Moline at 8:59PM on Monday, 9/25/06
Posted by Jenny Wren from Moline at 1:39PM on Monday, 9/25/06...Wearing black spandex will ...
Can you see black at night or from far away? Bright colors make me more visible! More visible hopefully means I will live to ride another day when riding EVERYWHERE...including the streets with cars!
And John C Anderson...my buddy! Are you really trying to pi@# us off? You are really showing your intelligence!
Donnie Miller
Donnie's Indoor Cycling Experience
Posted by Robin from East moline at 11:00PM on Monday, 9/25/06
I was at a stop light one day and a cyclist pulled up to the light in his black spandex shorts. needless to say it grossed me out .The shorts were so thin you could see the whole crack and all. That was awful to see. I for one am very turned off by men who wear these. to each his own.
Posted by True Conservative from Moline, Illinois at 6:55AM on Tuesday, 9/26/06
Robin:
I assure you, it would surprise me to no end if ANYone wore cycling clothes to be exhibitionists. For one thing, the padded seat that I still won't be without isn't exactly flattering.
One night I was riding in Bettendorf and stopped at a convenience store for something. It's kinda hard to forget to turn off a strobe light, but I didn't think about the LED flashers on the fanny pack I was wearing. A young lady was just roaring and said it looked like I had brake lights on my butt. I could have chosen to be offended, but she meant no harm. I told her that if her backside were like mine she'd have to put lights on it to get anyone to look too!
Posted by Jenny Wren from Moline at 9:35AM on Tuesday, 9/26/06
To Donnie: Then wear bright colored jerseys. But keep the shorts black, please. Please. We really don't want to see any more of your private parts. The photo of you standing was waaaaay too revealing for our tastes.
Posted by JohnCAnderson from Hog Hades at 1:17PM on Tuesday, 9/26/06
In a bike race maybe, in a fist fight, no way. In a chin up contest, no way. Swimming across the Mississippi River, no way. In a contest determining creativity and cleverness, no way.
I stopped by the parkway yesterday and did 17 chins, I'm out of shape. I seriously doubt that anyone in the local bike club could do that many.
If you added them all up they might.
Posted by JohnCAnderson from Hog Hades at 1:25PM on Tuesday, 9/26/06
Hey Donnie, I already stated that you folks on your ultra thin wheeled bikes can beat me on my mountain bikes.
But I have $200 dollars that says I can beat you in a chin up contest or a one man tug of war.
I went to a gym a couple of months ago and did a limited lift (kind of like a squat, but for a few inches, until the legs were fully extended) with six hundred pounds. Not bad for a guy who weighs around 140.
Can you match that?
True, thanks for your comments. It seems that you can read what someone posts without getting all emotional.
Getting all "hotstile" and emotional can cloud the mind. I know because I have a very cloudy mind.
Where you you be? Will you accept the challenge or admit that you have no upper body strength?
Posted by JohnCAnderson from Hog Hades at 1:48PM on Tuesday, 9/26/06
Out of that herd of five hundred, a couple of them might be able to whip me. The Sears (I hope I spelled it right) brothers and ol Parkway Earl, although he isn't member of that horrible horde of 500 POCS that Meesh Hell referred to.
Oh I forgot, Earl's kinda like me, a deperado when it comes to fashion, but he does wear a helmit.
Posted by True Conservative from Moline, Illinois at 5:50PM on Sunday, 10/1/06
For some reason, when I'm out riding and the endorfins begin to flow, I forget some of the things that drivers do that aren't appropriate. Why, when there are one or more empty lanes in which to drive do they usually pass right in my lane? I've never felt threatened or anything, but it is a bit inconsiderate.
Also, I've always carried Halt brand mace with me when riding. Because I used to ride a lot at night and on less public parts of the bike paths, it seemed like a good precaution. The only time I ever had to pull it out was when riding country roads in South Mississippi. Apparently, the post office uses this stuff enough that dogs recognize it! All I had to do was point and some really big dogs ran away from me!
Posted by anon from port byron at 6:29PM on Sunday, 10/1/06
Hey people that keep repeating the statement about use the sidewalks. Its "ILLEGAL" for an adult to ride on the sidewalk! How many times did i read that? The only time a cyclist is annoying is when they wont move over...in the middle of a lane. Trying to pass 3 awhile back they see me coming, they looked back. They were riding side by side all the way across my lane..they couldnt of rode in a line behind eachother? i cant see down the hill that is coming up for cars..so i have to basically stop because a car did come over the hill so when i passed i honked because they were having the attitude of "we have the right to be on the road so you just wait" ...the guy picks up speed i turn on a side road and he comes up along car asking me if i had a problem, i said ya dont hog the road ,we continued the "convo" all the way to the gas station then he moved along to the next road. Then got back on road passed them and everyone in the car had the joy of getting the last word by flipping them off. Childish? maybe . But it made me feel hella good.
Posted by Terry from former RI at 9:20PM on Sunday, 10/1/06
To True Conservative: So what you're telling me is that it is ok for a bike rider to not wait at a traffic light. Typical conservative.
Posted by John C. from Sum Playce at 10:45AM on Monday, 10/2/06
Port, I've often heard that complaint about the "fancy pants" riders riding two or three abreast.
It makes everlybody mad. It's just part of their general arrogance.
I've never seen mountain bikers do that. Of course we are more individualistic and tend not to travel in herds.
Terry, in defense of True who seems to be a sensible and concerned person regardless of his political stripe, sometimes a bike can't trip the light.
And whether it's right or wrong, many, if not most bike riders look both ways at stop signs and stop lights and then roll on thru.
One more point. To give credit where credit is due. I have often approached a stop sign and saw at car at another stop, already there ahead of me and as I slow down they kind of indicate that they'll wait as I roll thru.
Some car drivers can be very considerate. But we bike riders have to repay them for that and reinforce it. When someone passes me and gives me a wide berth, I generally wave at them in acknowledgement.
Posted by Get a clue from Port Byron at 12:22PM on Monday, 10/2/06
There are alot of places to ride a bike, however bycyclists have no bisiness riding on rual roadways where the speed limit is 55mph. When they do they are creating a hazard for everyone. Go ride where it is safer and slower! You have no right to endanger our safety!
Posted by Yawn-to get a clue from Rock Island at 1:00PM on Monday, 10/2/06
You are boring me. To quote 8 or 20 or more - read the rules of the road! We have EVERY right to be on the road.
Maybe if you'd read the Rules of the Road, you would be a better driver, and know what to do. Your bad driving is the hazard.
If I am going from point a to point b, and there are only rural roads, how may I ask, do you propose I get there - fly? I like to bike - good exercise. DEAL WITH IT PORT BYRON! We bike where we are allowed, not where you think we should! We pay the same in taxes,etc as you do, just less in gas for our vehicles.
Posted by John C. from Qtopia at 12:54PM on Tuesday, 10/3/06
Get a clue, you are one stupid hick (and that's your best point).
Hw about those slow moving tractors on rural roads?
And, how do they endanger your safety?
Are you afraid that if you run into one of them in your rickety, rusty, ol' redneck pickup truck, the moonshine you're hauling might explode?
Posted by True Conservative from Moline, Illinois at 3:38PM on Tuesday, 10/3/06
Dear Friends:
Just a quick note before I must dash off. The fact is that bikes always have been a very reliable and affordable means of transportation (want to save some money, but still get a good commuter for riding up to twenty miles each way...ask me). Cars are more complex and cost more all the time. More people are going to rely on bicycles as a means of transportation. Like it or not, more people must learn to live with it and more riders will have to learn to ride properly.
Posted by True Conservative from Moline, Illinois at 8:12PM on Wednesday, 10/11/06
Hey John C.:
I'm not being a smart Alec here. You really should consider entering the Du State Du or a triathelon. You might even do pretty good at Cyclo Cross because it incorporates lifting and running. If you did well enough to place, it might indeed be worth it to you to invest in a nicer bike (Cyclo Cross, Green Valley Park, Nov. 11th).
Think about it; you swim and ride so I'm guessing you'd be a decent runner. The guys in our age group are in good shape for their age, but you're in pretty good shape for someone younger than you. You could probably win your division in a triathelon.
BTW all, I met Denny the other day. He hasn't been on here because he does not have a subscription and is locked out. I was hoping he would start a regular biker's blog :-(
Posted by John C. Anderson from Cool Valley at 1:37PM on Thursday, 10/12/06
Hey thanks for the tip, True. It might be a little too late for me to enter now. I mean, I'm fit in a number of areas, but real weak in running. I don't think I could bring it up to par between now and November 11th, but I might start training.
Regular running bores me, but I do run up the stairs where I live, for a few floors and I run down a dozen flights two steps at a time.
But that's fun, that's like being a kid, which I am in my heart if not in chronolgical age.
I need to get some info on that deal they did at West Lake last year, I believe it was West Lake.
They went in the water when it was real cold.
It might be tougher for me than for a few of the guys and maybe girls with a little blubber on them, but I could train in a cold tub with ice cubes the way Houdini did.
Where can I find more info on that Cyclo Cross event? And where is Green Valley Park?
Incidentally, all Donnie has to do is get a subscription to the Dispatch or Argus and he can post here.
Posted by True Conservative from Moline, Illinois at 8:08PM on Thursday, 10/12/06
John C.:
Cyclo Cross racers tend NOT to be very good at running. The only running you need to do is between some of the obstacles, carrying your bike. Gaurantee, YOU would think these short bursts to be a LOT like running those stairs and generally shorter...
http://ls.carletonls.com/~dicecycling/pdf/Flyer%20Green%20Valley%20CX%2006.pdf
The event at West Lake IS the Du State Du. The water isn't really cold at that time. In fact, most of the time, the Mississippi river is colder in June than the lake during the Du...
http://www.cornbelt.org/dustatephotos.htm
You might want to check out this site too...
http://www.qcbc.org/
I'm no longer a member, but probably should join once I get to riding more regular again (bad leg).
Posted by John C. from Cool Valley at 8:35PM on Thursday, 10/12/06
Thanks for the info.
Good luck with your leg.
If it doesn't get better I'll be happy to cut if off for you, with a rusty saw.
Just kidding (maybe).

Anonymous said...

It sure would be nice to hear from other riders about their recent rides. For instance, because my health has been so poor, for so long, I had no idea what a great path there is along the Hennepin Canal. I rode from Colona to Geneseo the other day (well, and back too). The wild life was amazing! I saw Musk Rats, Blue Herron (sp), turtles... I can see myself take some three day weekends and camping along the canal the Summer. Certainly, I'll take my youngest and we'll do some fishing too. The surface was very nice, the canal its self interesting and just the feeling of being able to ride again was incredible. Only folks on a blog like this can relate. I would put this path against anything up in Wisconsin (different, but just as nice).

I was so pleased to be riding again. It felt like I had not been away from the bike at all. Except for not bringing enough to drink, causing me to bonk a bit at the end, it was a ball. Can't wait to get out some more this Winter. I like the cold and quiet when others choose to stay inside.

Any chance someone will share positive stories of their cycling experiences?

Donnie Miller said...

Hello Anonymous,

You are right...what a beautiful place to ride and see some excellent scenery! My objective on this web site is to bring more people like us together to share their cycling experiences! Thanks for your post and keep an eye out as we add more! And I too will be sharing my stories...just been a little busy with the start-up of the business.